Third Reich Patch 138

Regarding the some posts two questions come to mind - Pankraz execution process: about laying a hand across the eyes; how can that be? One guy to the left/one guy to the right dragging the convict. Nr3 should be placed behind the convict shutting his eyes? Not really practicle i think (and why bother??) - qte 'Some assistants were not up to their duties, so that they were assigned(until 1940) with the easy task of holding the condemneds head in order to let it be sliced off straight.' I thought that this was the purpose of the leather strap in the basin. This raises the question; or this part is not quite true or not all FB's had a leather strap in the basin. Htk wrote:- Pankraz execution process: about laying a hand across the eyes; how can that be?

One guy to the left/one guy to the right dragging the convict. Nr3 should be placed behind the convict shutting his eyes? Not really practicle i think (and why bother??) The third assistant apparently walked behind the prisoner covering his eyes.

If anyone is interested in playing 3rd Reich computer in the interim. Well IMHO, the version from Avalon Hill is complete with a 138 patch in it. “The assault on the Belfort Gap”: LKT Jr. Patch, Jr., Sept. Truscott, Command Missions, 443–44; Wyant, Sandy Patch, 138 (LonsleSaunier). From Beachhead to Brittany, 316–17; Mitcham, Retreat to the Reich, 214 (fishing tackle).

It is possible that they started covering the eyes of the condemned after some struggled after they saw the fallbeil and its raised blade (there was no blade shield on the Pankraz fallbeil). This way the condemned would never see it and hopefully not put up much resistance. Not practical, I agree, a simple blindfold applied before the black curtain was opened revealing the fallbeil, would have made a lot more sense. Paul53 wrote:Right Piotr.It was found that,after an execution that occured in 1940, where an inmates lower jaw bone had been severed.the Guillotine had better be equipped with something to hold the head in,in this case,the leather belt,which prevented the convict from bending his head too low,so as to prevent the Beil from travelling through the lower parts of the face. So this is the execution scene from the first White Rose movie.

The execution room looks more credible than shown in the 'Last Days' movie, but the chamber appears to be inside a larger building, not in a separate execution building. Large ornate doors like this would most likely not be a part of the Stadelheim prison execution shed. The guillotine looks like a stage prop job. The bench legs are all wrong. The 'winch' handle is Tegel-style in orientation, but the handle is on the basin side of the guillotine, which we know is wrong. The sledge appears to be genuine in appearance, but the blade is too wide, spanning the whole width of the sledge, which is wrong.

The vertical release lever appears to be some sort of a hybrid between the 1854 model and the early Tegel. The pendulum style release rod was sleeved on the upper section on a genuine fallbeil. When you first see the guillotine, there appears to be some sort of a shroud on top so you cannot make out its top features. The 1854 model would of course have a large rope pulley on top. There is a leather strap (none was used in the 'Last Days' movie), but is is anchored to the sheet metal of the basin, which is wrong.

On the real thing the anchoring pins are in the fallbeil frame, outside of the basin. I am not aware of any fallbeil model that has restraining straps built into the bench itself.

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Such straps were provided on the hinged board (bascule) on the 1854 model, and the prisoner was strapped to the board while in vertical position. When the lunette is closed on the actress's neck, the gap between the neck and the upper board remains far too large to be credible. The girl is escorted into the execution room by only one female prison guard. In reality, two guards escorted Sophie Scholl to the execution building in Stadelheim prison. Paul53 wrote:Right Piotr.It was found that,after an execution that occured in 1940, where an inmates lower jaw bone had been severed.the Guillotine had better be equipped with something to hold the head in,in this case,the leather belt,which prevented the convict from bending his head too low,so as to prevent the Beil from travelling through the lower parts of the face.

Something similar occurred during the beheading of Anna Mansdotter in Kristianstad, Sweden on 7 August 1890. She was beheaded with the axe on a low execution block, which meant that she had to lie on the ground on her stomach with her neck raised only about 20 cm or so from the floor, resting on the block. The angle of the axe swing was such that the blade of the axe passed through the mouth and the lower jaw remained attached to the neck. First I apologize for not submitting any posts for a long time but I have not been receiving notifications that new posts had been made on this topic and assumed it had dried up. The posts about the book Zentarale Hinrichtungsstatten are exciting! Finally some new information!

Regarding the some posts two questions come to mind - Pankraz execution process: about laying a hand across the eyes; how can that be? One guy to the left/one guy to the right dragging the convict. Nr3 should be placed behind the convict shutting his eyes? Not really practicle i think (and why bother??) - qte 'Some assistants were not up to their duties, so that they were assigned(until 1940) with the easy task of holding the condemneds head in order to let it be sliced off straight.' I thought that this was the purpose of the leather strap in the basin. This raises the question; or this part is not quite true or not all FB's had a leather strap in the basin. Htk wrote:- Pankraz execution process: about laying a hand across the eyes; how can that be?

One guy to the left/one guy to the right dragging the convict. Nr3 should be placed behind the convict shutting his eyes? Not really practicle i think (and why bother??) The third assistant apparently walked behind the prisoner covering his eyes.

If anyone is interested in playing 3rd Reich computer in the interim. Well IMHO, the version from Avalon Hill is complete with a 138 patch in it. “The assault on the Belfort Gap”: LKT Jr. Patch, Jr., Sept. Truscott, Command Missions, 443–44; Wyant, Sandy Patch, 138 (LonsleSaunier). From Beachhead to Brittany, 316–17; Mitcham, Retreat to the Reich, 214 (fishing tackle).

It is possible that they started covering the eyes of the condemned after some struggled after they saw the fallbeil and its raised blade (there was no blade shield on the Pankraz fallbeil). This way the condemned would never see it and hopefully not put up much resistance. Not practical, I agree, a simple blindfold applied before the black curtain was opened revealing the fallbeil, would have made a lot more sense. Paul53 wrote:Right Piotr.It was found that,after an execution that occured in 1940, where an inmates lower jaw bone had been severed.the Guillotine had better be equipped with something to hold the head in,in this case,the leather belt,which prevented the convict from bending his head too low,so as to prevent the Beil from travelling through the lower parts of the face. So this is the execution scene from the first White Rose movie.

The execution room looks more credible than shown in the 'Last Days' movie, but the chamber appears to be inside a larger building, not in a separate execution building. Large ornate doors like this would most likely not be a part of the Stadelheim prison execution shed. The guillotine looks like a stage prop job. The bench legs are all wrong. The 'winch' handle is Tegel-style in orientation, but the handle is on the basin side of the guillotine, which we know is wrong. The sledge appears to be genuine in appearance, but the blade is too wide, spanning the whole width of the sledge, which is wrong.

The vertical release lever appears to be some sort of a hybrid between the 1854 model and the early Tegel. The pendulum style release rod was sleeved on the upper section on a genuine fallbeil. When you first see the guillotine, there appears to be some sort of a shroud on top so you cannot make out its top features. The 1854 model would of course have a large rope pulley on top. There is a leather strap (none was used in the 'Last Days' movie), but is is anchored to the sheet metal of the basin, which is wrong.

On the real thing the anchoring pins are in the fallbeil frame, outside of the basin. I am not aware of any fallbeil model that has restraining straps built into the bench itself.

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Such straps were provided on the hinged board (bascule) on the 1854 model, and the prisoner was strapped to the board while in vertical position. When the lunette is closed on the actress's neck, the gap between the neck and the upper board remains far too large to be credible. The girl is escorted into the execution room by only one female prison guard. In reality, two guards escorted Sophie Scholl to the execution building in Stadelheim prison. Paul53 wrote:Right Piotr.It was found that,after an execution that occured in 1940, where an inmates lower jaw bone had been severed.the Guillotine had better be equipped with something to hold the head in,in this case,the leather belt,which prevented the convict from bending his head too low,so as to prevent the Beil from travelling through the lower parts of the face.

Something similar occurred during the beheading of Anna Mansdotter in Kristianstad, Sweden on 7 August 1890. She was beheaded with the axe on a low execution block, which meant that she had to lie on the ground on her stomach with her neck raised only about 20 cm or so from the floor, resting on the block. The angle of the axe swing was such that the blade of the axe passed through the mouth and the lower jaw remained attached to the neck. First I apologize for not submitting any posts for a long time but I have not been receiving notifications that new posts had been made on this topic and assumed it had dried up. The posts about the book Zentarale Hinrichtungsstatten are exciting! Finally some new information!